Hi Mark, good point.

I guess my discussion was geared toward

Quote: "What i hope that they realise in the not to distant future is that we as consumers's/ISP's still have the option
to shop around (for top level domains anyway)"
End Quote.

The emphasis on top level domains. I was meerly pointing out that if we as
resellers didnt like the way that MIT were dealing (or not dealing) with
those companies, then we can go elsewhere (for .com/.org.net etc), this
will affect MIT as they wont be getting those sales.. not for .com.au though, obviously.

Thank you for your insight on the current situation, very interesting.

Im not sure if i agree with this bit though


Quote "So there's no big advantage to Melbourne IT from having unethical
resellers.
> "Churn" between resellers doesn't really affect Melbourne IT as they get
> 100% of the business anyway.
End Quote

I guess financially you are correct, but the advantage of MIT having
ethical resellers and unethical resellers can reflect on them aswell.
Kinda like having elections in countries where you know who the winner is
going to be, so to say :) Kinda like having say 100,000 customers, and
having 10 of them with broadband connections spamming everyone on your
network, would you take the time to deal with them? I would, because i
know that although those spammers are paying for data, the rest of my
network would be alot happier to not be recieving it :)

I think i was a bit off topic, being the AuDA list, and i apologise to
everyone for that.
Anyways, i agree with the rest if your points, i look forward to that,
thank you.


Kind Regards,

drew


On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Mark Hughes wrote:

> > I guess MIT wouldnt really want to stop "those
> > operators" in the interim for the main reason that any business exists,
> > they make money for them.
>
>
> Well, I'm not sure you've correctly analysed the situation here.
>
> While Melbourne IT remains the sole com.au Registrar, ALL com.au
> registrations go through them, regardless of whether the domain is renewed
> directly by the Registrant, or by an unethical Reseller, or by an ethical
> Reseller.
>
> So there's no big advantage to Melbourne IT from having unethical resellers.
> "Churn" between resellers doesn't really affect Melbourne IT as they get
> 100% of the business anyway.
>
>
>
> If you want to see a situation where a Registrar has some sort of financial
> incentive to 'overlook' unsavoury practices of Resellers, you'll have to
> wait until the new system with competing Registrars is introduced .  With
> multiple registrars competing for the same customers, there will me more
> incentive for a Registrar to 'treat lightly' a Reseller who is delivering
> significant business to them, i.e. there's an incentive for the Registrar
> not to look too closely into the Reseller's business practices.
>
> Hence the importance of auDA's current draft document on domain name
> transfers - see http://www.auda.org.au/policy/transfers-whois.html.  I
> recommend everyone read it carefully and provide constructive and well
> thought out input to auDA.
>
>
>
> BTW, regarding Melbourne IT's ability to stop doing business with some
> Resellers, perhaps people are unaware that Melbourne IT's position as the
> sole com.au Registrar reduces its ability to refuse to do business with
> Resellers, rather than enhancing it.
>
> If you're a monopoly supplier of a product, you have to be quite careful
> about "refusing to do business" with a particular customer, as any refusal
> to deal by a monopoly completely prohibits the customer from purchasing the
> product - and may lay the monopoly open to various penalties.  But if there
> are multiple suppliers of a product, then one supplier's refusal to deal
> with a specific entity isn't such an issue.
>
> So a Registrar that is one of many can cease dealing with a Reseller with
> less repercussions than a monopoly Registrar can.
>
>
> Regards, Mark
>
> Mark Hughes
> Effective Business Applications Pty Ltd
> effectivebusiness§pplications.com.au
> www.pplications.com.au
> +61 4 1374 3959
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: drew§dronus.org [mailto:drew§dronus.org]
> > Sent: Monday, 22 April 2002 16:26
> > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au
> > Subject: RE: [DNS] Att: Chris D. re ING and others
> >
> >
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > Thats interesting. I guess MIT wouldnt really want to stop "those
> > operators" in the interim for the main reason that any business exists,
> > they make money for them. What i hope that they realise in the not to
> > distant future is that we as consumers's/ISP's still have the option to
> > shop around (for top level domains anyway) and I noticed that
> > verisigns prices have dropped again..
> >
> > ho hum
> >
> >
> > drew
> >
> > ps great work auda <pat on the back>
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Chris Disspain wrote:
> >
> > > Re-sellers are presently under contract to Melbourne IT. auDA has no
> > > authority to deal with them. auDA's action in respect to ING only deals
> > > with their provisional accreditation to become a registrar under the new
> > > regime. It does not and cannot stop them from acting as a reseller of
> > > Melbourne IT. The same goes for IRA and any other reseller. It's up to
> > > MIT to take action in respect to their position as a reseller.
> > >
> > > When the new regime comes into force, auDA will have some say over the
> > > behaviour of resellers because it will be able to direct registrars to
> > > take action and registrars will be required to ensure that their
> > > contract with resellers contain various clauses governing reseller
> > > behaviour.
> > >
> > > Hope that makes things clear.
> > >
> > > Chris Disspain
> > > CEO - auDA
> > > ceo&#167;auda.org.au
> > > www.auda.org.au
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Richard Keeves [mailto:richard&#167;ibc.com.au]
> > > Sent: Monday, 22 April 2002 15:25
> > > To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> > > Subject: [DNS] Att: Chris D. re ING and others
> > >
> > > Hi Chris,
> > > This is good news - and about time.  It will help create (and for some
> > > people, restore) confidence in auDA and the new system.
> > >
> > > But Ginger's comment below is right on...
> > >
> > > Ginger wrote:
> > > <start>
> > > The ING suspension is one thing, but IRA etc etc .. are still out there
> > > circulating deceptive marketing material. Is anything going to be done
> > > to
> > > protect consumers from further deception ?
> > > <end>
> > >
> > > Chris,  from a legal and operational perspective,  can auDA initiate
> > > suspension for other obvious sinners - or do you actually always have to
> > > wait for orgs like ACCC to take action first before auDA can act?
> > >
> > > I hope you can clarify this as,  to my mind at least, it goes to the
> > > heart
> > > of the issue.
> > >
> > > cheers
> > > Richard Keeves
> > > IBC, Perth.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Chris Disspain" <ceo&#167;auda.org.au>
> > > To: <board&#167;lists.auda.org.au>
> > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 12:46 PM
> > > Subject: [DNS] Internet Name Group
> > >
> > >
> > > > auDA suspends Internet Name Group following ACCC action
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Melbourne, 22 April 2002: auDA today suspended the provisional
> > > > accreditation status of Internet Name Group (ING) pending the
> > > > finalisation of the proceedings brought by the Australian Competition
> > > > and Consumer Commission.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In December 2001 ING, along with 9 other applicants, was granted
> > > > provisional accreditation to become an auDA accredited registrar when
> > > > the new regime is introduced.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > auDA has received a significant number of complaints relating to ING's
> > > > conduct. Last week, auDA was notified by ACCC that it had commenced
> > > > action against ING on the basis of, amongst other things, misleading
> > > or
> > > > deceptive conduct and other offences under the Trade Practices Act
> > > 1974.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > auDA has now had an opportunity to examine in detail the documents
> > > > lodged with the Federal Court by the ACCC.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Having carefully considered the matter auDA holds the view that there
> > > > is a question as to whether ING  is capable of complying with the
> > > terms
> > > > of auDA's Registrar Agreement and Published Policies" said auDA CEO,
> > > > Chris Disspain. "On this basis, auDA has decided to suspend ING's
> > > > provisional accreditation status, at least until such time as the
> > > action
> > > > brought by the ACCC is finalised."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -ENDS-
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For media contact:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Chris Disspain
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Chief Executive Officer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > auDA
> > > >
> > > > tel: 03 9349 4711
> > > >
> > > > email: ceo&#167;auda.org.au
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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