RE: [DNS] INTERNET NAME GROUP - UNSOLICITED RENEWAL NOTICE REQUESTS REGISTR Y KEY

RE: [DNS] INTERNET NAME GROUP - UNSOLICITED RENEWAL NOTICE REQUESTS REGISTR Y KEY

From: Ginger Fish <ginger-fish§scifi-art.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:24:38 +1100
Michael,

got the message :)
I should get ginger-fish.com but hey i got sasha-sudakov.com too i could use
that for fun ( no don't sue me, don't sue me !!!! ) but hey that's a
personnal choice :)
hey you know that's good, today is so relaxed in here, people talking
seriously about serious issues, people joking and patting one another on the
shoulder *pats Michael* weeeeeee, i like that :)


Ginger
ginger&#167;michael-pappas.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael-Pappas [mailto:auda&#167;michael-pappas.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:10 PM
To: auda.org.au
Subject: RE: [DNS] INTERNET NAME GROUP - UNSOLICITED RENEWAL NOTICE
REQUESTS REGISTR Y KEY


Ginger,

Don't know about putting them in orbit though.. They would find a way to
bomb us all from greater heights...

Education, consistency and policy that can be enforced... let's work toward
that.

Michael.

P.S. Just a little note to all.. Options are my own, thus the use of my own
email address.

Also Ginger, I really don't like Mickey, mick, mike or any other
variation...... Michael or Pappas is fine.. I know you like you nickname
but I prefer my name, I'm very proud.... Thanks.


> Hey Mikey,
>
> I completely agree with what you're saying here :
>
>> Competition between resellers is what we are looking at.
>
> Yes, .. I personnaly think that any reseller abusing policies and using
> their Registrar and the tools that are provider by that registrar for
> evil use should have their ass put into orbit around mars..
>
>>The policy pannel is dealing with registrar competition. When the time
> comes we will all be able to read and comment on what they produce.
>
> YES
>
>>In the current situation resellers of Melb IT are Slamming customers
>>with renewal notices that trick registrant into paying for a service
>>that they do not need. THE SCAM. Not Melb IT them selves.
>
> This is why maybe Melbourne IT should attach a rocket to their back and
> send them on the other side of the solar system for abusing the
> system..
>
>>If a reseller fails to renew the domain name for their clients then the
>>domain name goes back to Melb IT and they contact the custmore. This
>>happens 28 days before expire.
>
> I think that is fair indeed , it doesn't really compare with the " YOUR
> DOMAIN NAME WILL BE DELETED " ING stuff ...
>
>>And I definattly do not think that deceptive practices make it a fair
>>playing field. If you have dealt with me or Click'nGo! at all you would
>>know different. Not really sure how you got that conclusion.
>
> I think we all know who's doing what and abusing and how mate,
> Click'n'Go of course is probably different since people never
> complained about it here as opposed to the other scammers, otherwise
> you would have heard the Ginger Skeleter coming when night falls to
> terrorize you :)
>
>
> Ginger
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael-Pappas [mailto:auda&#167;michael-pappas.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 12:10 PM
> To: auda.org.au
> Subject: RE: [DNS] INTERNET NAME GROUP - UNSOLICITED RENEWAL NOTICE
> REQUESTS REGISTR Y KEY
>
>
> Yes we are talking about the scammers. And to me Melb IT is definattly
> not one of them.
>
> I think that we are confusing a few things here...
>
> - Competition between resellers is what we are looking at.
>
> - The policy pannel is dealing with registrar competition. When the
> time
> comes we will all be able to read and comment on what they produce.
>
> - In the current situation resellers of Melb IT are Slamming customers
> with renewal notices that trick registrant into paying for a service
> that they do not need. THE SCAM. Not Melb IT them selves.
>
> - If a reseller fails to renew the domain name for their clients then
> the
> domain name goes back to Melb IT and they contact the custmore. This
> happens 28 days before expire.
>
> - What would the registrar who is facilitating the competition at the
> present situation flaunt the use of this information.. It's just not
> happening.
>
> - And I definattly do not think that deceptive practices make it a fair
> playing field. If you have dealt with me or Click'nGo! at all you would
> know different. Not really sure how you got that conclusion.
>
> Michael-Pappas.
>
>
>> Pappas,
>>
>> We are talking scammers, not competition...competition happens on
>> equal terms based on real strategy, you know with people that have
>> enough brains to find new original ideas to attract customers ... of
>> course maybe you think that deceiving people is good fair strategy
>> that enables everybody to compete on a fair ground ...do you ?
>>
>>
>> Ginger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael-Pappas [mailto:auda&#167;michael-pappas.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 11:46 AM
>> To: auda.org.au
>> Subject: Re: [DNS] INTERNET NAME GROUP - UNSOLICITED RENEWAL NOTICE
>> REQUESTS REGISTR Y KEY
>>
>>
>> Until such time as there are competing regirtrars Melb IT is the sole
>> registrar... why would they need the Key? We are talking reseller
>> competition for now.
>>
>> Michael-Pappas
>>
>>> Michael wrote
>>>
>>> If you are receiving notice from your original reseller or Melb IT
>>> directly you would not have to provide the key as the domain name is
>>> already with them.
>>>
>>> MelbIT should be required to be provided with the registry key from
>>> the registrant (I thought that issue had been delt with) the same as
>>> with any other  transfer. What gives them an exemption we are talking
>>> competition here...
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Michael-Pappas" <auda&#167;michael-pappas.com>
>>> To: "auda.org.au " <dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 9:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DNS] INTERNET NAME GROUP - UNSOLICITED RENEWAL NOTICE
>>> REQUESTS REGISTR Y KEY
>>>
>>>
>>>> > Is this correct?
>>>>
>>>> Yes and no. In order to renew a domain name Melb IT have made
>>>> provisions for transfer of .com.au domain names between accredited
>>>> resellers. So say you originally registered your domain name through
>>>> one reseller and found another in the two year period and wanted to
>>>> change. Then you would required to provide that new reseller the
>>>> registry key to move the domain name to their management within the
>>>> Melb IT system and flag that domain name to their management.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Do I need to supply my registry key to affect renewal
>>>> > of my domain name?
>>>>
>>>> If you are receiving notice from your original reseller or Melb IT
>>> directly
>>>> you would not have to provide the key as the domain name is already
>>>> with them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > I have not had any previous dealings with Internet
>>>> > Name Group. I am a sole proprietor so it is impossible that any
>>>> > member of my staff could have requested a renewal from Internet
>>>> > Name Group as I do not have any staff. This seems like business
>>>> > solicitation in it's purest form.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Not really sure what you are saying.. Do you or don't you have
>>>> staff? If you do it's more than possible.. if you don't then highly
>>>> unlikely as you would know if you provided the Reg Key to them.
>>>>
>>>> > At uni we are taught that IS professionals should not misuse the
>>>> > skills they have learnt for underhandedly obtaining information,
>>>> > and that people's privacy should be respected. An example was made
>>>> > of companies that send renewal notices for domain names that look
>>>> > like invoices,but I didn't realise that one of the companies
>>>> > involved was (or claims to be) an Accredited .com.au Registrar.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately what people are taught does not mean that they do it.
>>>> Porovisionaly accredited registrars a the moment does not really
>>>> mean that much... it the reseller that follow the  Interim code of
>>>> practice.
>>>>
>>>>  http://www.auda.org.au/docs/Interim_COP.pdf
>>>>
>>>> I do remember that there is a list on the www.auda.org.au site but
>>>> for the life of me I can't find it.
>>>>
>>>> > Are there current stats on how many consumers are affected by this
>>>> > practice? Where did this company get my details from? Are they
>>>> > really an accredited registrar? Why would an accredited registrar
>>>> > send me a deceptive unsolicited renewal advice?
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> I really doubt it.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Michael-Pappas.
>>>> www.clickngo.com.au
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > All comments appreciated.
>>>> >
>>>> > Kind Regards,
>>>> >
>>>> > Max Sylvester
>>>> > (University Student and part time IT support)
>>>> >
>>>>
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