oh my god.call the poliiiiice!! Rod, unlike you ( see below ) i am not trying to deceive anybody .. DOMAIN NAME AUTHORITY OF AUSTRALIA (DNA) Business Manager - Rod Keys -A PROVISIONALLY ACCREDITED .AU REGISTRAR ??? HISTORY: "Scam claim over com.au reselling. http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/e-commerce/20001024/A2319-2000Oct23.html "Melbourne's Domain Name Authority of Australia (www.dna.asn.au) has been writing in hard copy to com.au name owners ahead of the renewal date, offering to renew their names." "Domain Name Authority of Australia (DNA) Business Manager - Rod Keys "Domain name resellers blockade rival company" http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/breaking/20001017/A56590-2000Oct17.html Ginger FISH -----Original Message----- From: Rod Keys [mailto:rod§ddns.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:13 AM To: dns§lists.auda.org.au Subject: Re: [DNS] Code of conduct Chris, Check the whois for internetnamesregistrar.com ...nsi.com ..whois... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Disspain" <ceo§auda.org.au> To: <dns§lists.auda.org.au> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:04 AM Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > Once again you have taken the opportunity to insult, rant and not > actually deal with the issue at hand. I will respond only to matters > relevant to the topic. Personal insults, jibes, snide comments and other > detritus serve only to reduce your credibility and shroud what might > otherwise be valuable input in a cloak of vitriol. > > You seem to think that contributing to this list gives you some right to > be heard or, for that matter, to be responded to. It does not. It is a > discussion list and that is all. auDA reads the list and on occasions > such as this responds. We listen and take note of what is said. But this > list is not representative of the 'industry'. If you want to be > effective you would be better served by getting involved instead of > carping from the side lines. This of course would involve you ditching > the use of false names and necessitate a level of decorum and > rationality. It would also involve you understanding the processes. > > You clearly have no understanding of the process and do not appear to > have read any of the documents. Are you for example aware of the > restrictions to be placed on registrars (and their resellers) in auDA's > Registrar Agreement? > > You certainly do not appear to have attended the Registrar Agreement > public meetings at which the agreement and the Code of Practice were > originally discussed. You also do not appear to have attended the > initial Code of Practice meeting because if you had you would understand > that the Code of Practice committee is not auDA's committee but yours > (ie the industry). We are simply facilitating it. > > I repeat some indisputable facts. We called for nominations (and as a > courtesy published that call on the DNS list). This call for nominations > was at the request of the industry. At the initial meeting, they asked > us to do it on their behalf. I have no doubt that those that were there > will happily confirm this. The number of the committee and its processes > were also set by them and not by us. It is, you see, an industry > committee attempting to draft what will be an industry Code of Practice. > > Neither you nor any of your 'colleagues' (whoever they may be) bothered > to nominate for the Code of Practice committee notwithstanding your > supposed passion about the issue. That I'm afraid severely damages your > credibility on this issue. > > The choice is yours. Feel free to continue to bellow your insults to the > DNS list under the cover of a false name or put your money where your > mouth is and actually get involved in the process. > > Regards, > > Chris Disspain > CEO - auDA > ceo§auda.org.au > www.auda.org.au > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ginger FISH [mailto:ginger§internetnamesregistrar.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 19 March 2002 0:54 > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > > Chris, > > Let me see if I've got this straight. Firstly you note that not all the > names mentioned are on the committee? Three out of four mentioned are on > the > code of conduct committee Chris, perhaps you might wish to read your own > website? > > You say "but they were the only ones who nominated ?" The scammers? > And > that's your excuse for not running an effective administration ? > > Distasteful that you pass off issues and ridicule those who care enough > to > bring them to your attention Chris. Perhaps if you worked in the > industry > alongside consumers rather than simply signing off a few papers here and > there you might take it all a little more seriously, take the time to > look > into issues, and perhaps make your administration stand for something. > > You were unaware of the Netregistry debacle until it was thrown in your > face > and you had to deal with it. Are you a fan of deja vu Chris? We are busy > people, we don't have all the time in the world, but we will persist, > and in > many arenas. And why? because we give a damn Chris. We give a damn about > all > the little people out there who have been lead to believe that this code > of > conduct will be enforceable, that it will affect change. How can it > possibly when a bunch of known scammers are sitting on the committee and > the > auDA Director perceives that as being totally acceptable because they > were > the only ones who nominated themselves. That is a cop-out. That is > totally > unacceptable. > > Ginger > ginger§internetnamesregistrar.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Disspain [mailto:ceo§auda.org.au] > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 9:46 AM > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > > > 1. Most of the names you mention are not on the committee. > 2. Perhaps you would care to explain why they should not be and FAR MORE > IMPORTANTLY > 3. Perhaps you'd care to explain why you and everyone else who simply > use this list in the same way that a cat uses a scratching pole did not > even bother to nominate for the committee or turn up at the initial > meeting or contribute anything whatsoever to the process. > > Oh, and just so we're clear, the reason why the committee comprises the > people it comprises is because they nominated and, they were the ONLY > PEOPLE who nominated. > > BTW, many thanks to whoever included my name in a song on the list the > other day. Another goal I can tick off the list. > > Chris Disspain > CEO - auDA > ceo§auda.org.au > www.auda.org.au > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish§scifi-art.com] > Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2002 12:21 > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > > Dear Bruce, > > > in other words : > > WHY WOULD auDA ALLOW PEOPLE LIKE NETREGISTRY , DNA and DDNS TO BE ON THE > VERY COMMITEE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO KICK THESE PEOPLE OUT OR AT LEAST MAKE > THEM BEHAVE ? > > Don't you find that a bit illogical Bruce, or if you have a logical and > reasonable explanation to that, i am willing to hear and understand it. > Doesn't that bother you ? or are scammers considered as equals with > honest > businesses now ? is the .au administration so corrupt and rotten at the > core > that it is impossible not to have the gangsters at the helm ? Give us an > explanation Bruce, because maybe I'm all wrong , maybe i'm just an idiot > that does not read english properly > http://www.auda.org.au/policy/code-committee-2002/ ) , so PLEASE > EXPLAIN.... > > > Best Regards, Bruce > > Ginger > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish§scifi-art.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 12:10 PM > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > > > Bruce, thank you for answering the first part, but i think you missed > the > second part : > > auDA is well aware of the business practices of these companies and yet > here > THEY SITE ON THE CODE OF CONDUCT COMMITEE > > > NETREGISTRY proved they could not be trusted with the auNIC database > and > yet the same company have a representative on the Code of Conduct > Commitee? > > Peter Dean, Istra Pty Ltd, www.aunic.com.au, Director of auDA, conflict > of > interest, and to top it off, sits on the Code of Conduct Commitee ? > > And, Rod "Scam claim over com.au reselling" Keys. > > http://www.auda.org.au/policy/code-committee-2002/ > > Rod Keys Discount Domain Names Reseller DISCOUNT DOMAIN NAMES?? > see > below > Brett Fenton ( Larry's dog ) NetRegistry Registrar NET > REGISTRY? > see below > Peter Dean Instra Group Registrar YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING > > > "Domain Name Authority of Australia (DNA) Business Manager - Rod Keys > "Scam claim over com.au reselling. > http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/e-commerce/20001024/A2319-2000Oct23.html > > "Melbourne's Domain Name Authority of Australia (www.dna.asn.au) has > been > writing in hard copy to com.au name owners ahead of the renewal date, > offering to renew their names." > > "Domain Name Authority of Australia (DNA) Business Manager - Rod Keys > "Domain name resellers blockade rival company" > http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/breaking/20001017/A56590-2000Oct17.html > > > INTERNET NAME GROUP - PROVISIONALLY ACCREDITED REGISTRAR > > Sasha Sudakov attends Code of Conduct Meeting. --- WHAT FOR?????? > http://www.auda.org.au/about/minutes/public-20011211.pdf > > Internet Name Group scam > http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/archive/032001/0060.html > > The greed behind gratuitous grace > http://www.smh.com.au/icon/0111/13/news4.html > > Riddle of 10-year deals on .au names with a two-year life > http://it.mycareer.com.au/networking/20010410/A35593-2001Apr10.html > > Name seller flogs .biz names via asic.com > http://www.smh.com.au/news/0106/22/biztech/biztech15.html > > "Spam" Attack Prompts Suspension By Domainz. > http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pr2001/090601.htm > > http://www.idg.net.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/D6AC0A53F05ECFC6CC256ABF00090DE4! > open > document > > > > Ginger > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Tonkin [mailto:Bruce.Tonkin§melbourneit.com.au] > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 4:26 AM > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > Subject: [DNS] Code of conduct > > > > > > WHAT HOPE IS THERE FOR ANY PROPOSED CODE OF CONDUCT ?? > > It is unclear when it will be introduced > > It is unclear if it will be enforceable > > It is unclear as to whether or not it will be enforceable, > > how and by whom? > > Actually it is reasonable clear. > > There is an interim code of conduct that already exists. In the absence > of > any changes by the date the new registry (operated by AusRegistry) goes > live, then this will be the code that must be adhered to by registrars. > In > the meantime, we have encouraged companies that sell domain name > services to > adhere to the interim code, and people can sign up to it voluntarily. > However there is no enforcement of the code until the new registrar > agreements come into effect. Note most industries have codes that are > purely voluntary, we are at least trying to go one step further to > include > in registrar licence agreements. > > There is a code of conduct committee that is trying to refine the > interim > code. It is hoped that the next refinement will be complete by around > June > 2002. > > The code will be enforceable by auDA, and failure to abide by the code > can > result in loss of registrar licence. However ultimately any company can > sell domain names without any licence. The licence purely gives them > direct > access to communicate with the registry. A comany can still act on > behalf > of the registrant and purchase their domain names from any registrar or > reseller. > > The best method of enforcement is by consumers themselves choosing to > use a > reputable provider of their services. That is the whole point of > competition. To do this consumers need to be well informed. Consumers > make > their decisions for real estate agents, auto repairers, car dealers etc > based on their knowledge of the industry and word-of-mouth. In many > cases > there are independent organisations such as RACV, CHOICE etc that > publish > articles that compare the products and services of different providers. > The > fall back is the Trade Practices Act - which is administered by the > ACCC. > > I encourage all members of the industry to continue to educate and keep > informed their customers. If auDA needs to continually be involved in > enforcement this will raise the prices of domain names services for us > all > (as auDA's costs are passed onto registrants through a per domain name > fee), > and potentially result in the Government taking over control of the > function. > > SO lets keep the code of conduct in perspective. It is not the solution > to > all problems, but an important step forward. It will also help educate > new > players in the industry on acceptable practices. Ultimately it will be > up > to us all to educate consumers about the existance of a code, and only > purchase products and services from those that adhere to the code. > > Regards, > Bruce Tonkin > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --- > List policy, unsubscribing and archives => > http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/ > Please do not retransmit articles on this list without permission of the > author, further information at the above URL. 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