Re: [DNS] Code of conduct

Re: [DNS] Code of conduct

From: Dax <shayemaree§bigpond.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:46:52 +1100
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   Updated Date: 16-mar-2002

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael-Pappas" <auda&#167;michael-pappas.com>
To: <dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [DNS] Code of conduct


> Unbelievable, not only is this information outside the requirements for
> owning a gTLD (or looks as if it is), you don't even know where the domain
> name was registered.
>
> > Check the whois for internetnamesregistrar.com ...nsi.com ..whois...
>
> The Displaying domain information was provided by  MELBOURNE IT, LTD.
D/B/A
> INTERNET NAMES WORLDWIDE.
>
> Bruce may be your compliance officer could look at this, I know that with
> OpenSRS domain names if the domain name information is not able to be
> verified with authorised docunemtation the domain name gets revoked.
>
> Ginger if you are constantly going to flaunt your own deceptions to this
> list then as Chris says you should not continue to post or be part of this
> development that we are trying very hard to take seriously.
>
> Michael Pappas.
>
> > Chris,
> > Check the whois for internetnamesregistrar.com ...nsi.com ..whois...
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris Disspain" <ceo&#167;auda.org.au>
> > To: <dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:04 AM
> > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct
> >
> >
> >> Once again you have taken the opportunity to insult, rant and not
> >> actually deal with the issue at hand. I will respond only to matters
> >> relevant to the topic. Personal insults, jibes, snide comments and
> >> other detritus serve only to reduce your credibility and shroud what
> >> might otherwise be valuable input in a cloak of vitriol.
> >>
> >> You seem to think that contributing to this list gives you some right
> >> to be heard or, for that matter, to be responded to. It does not. It
> >> is a discussion list and that is all. auDA reads the list and on
> >> occasions such as this responds. We listen and take note of what is
> >> said. But this list is not representative of the 'industry'. If you
> >> want to be
> >> effective you would be better served by getting involved instead of
> >> carping from the side lines. This of course would involve you ditching
> >> the use of false names and necessitate a level of decorum and
> >> rationality. It would also involve you understanding the processes.
> >>
> >> You clearly have no understanding of the process and do not appear to
> >> have read any of the documents. Are you for example aware of the
> >> restrictions to be placed on registrars (and their resellers) in
> >> auDA's Registrar Agreement?
> >>
> >> You certainly do not appear to have attended the Registrar Agreement
> >> public meetings at which the agreement and the Code of Practice were
> >> originally discussed. You also do not appear to have attended the
> >> initial Code of Practice meeting because if you had you would
> >> understand that the Code of  Practice committee is not auDA's
> >> committee but yours (ie the industry). We are simply facilitating it.
> >>
> >> I repeat some indisputable facts. We called for nominations (and as a
> >> courtesy published that call on the DNS list). This call for
> >> nominations was at the request of the industry. At the initial
> >> meeting, they asked us to do it on their behalf. I have no doubt that
> >> those that were there will happily confirm this. The number of the
> >> committee and its processes were also set by them and not by us. It
> >> is, you see, an industry committee attempting to draft what will be an
> >> industry Code of Practice.
> >>
> >> Neither you nor any of your 'colleagues' (whoever they may be)
> >> bothered to nominate for the Code of Practice committee
> >> notwithstanding your supposed passion about the issue. That I'm afraid
> >> severely damages your credibility on this issue.
> >>
> >> The choice is yours. Feel free to continue to bellow your insults to
> >> the DNS list under the cover of a false name or put your money where
> >> your mouth is and actually get involved in the process.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Chris Disspain
> >> CEO - auDA
> >> ceo&#167;auda.org.au
> >> www.auda.org.au
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ginger FISH [mailto:ginger&#167;internetnamesregistrar.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 19 March 2002 0:54
> >> To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> >> Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct
> >>
> >> Chris,
> >>
> >> Let me see if I've got this straight. Firstly you note that not all
> >> the names mentioned are on the committee? Three out of four mentioned
> >> are on the
> >> code of conduct committee Chris, perhaps you might wish to read your
> >> own website?
> >>
> >> You say "but they were the only ones who nominated ?"  The scammers?
> >> And
> >> that's your excuse for not running an effective administration ?
> >>
> >> Distasteful that you pass off issues and ridicule those who care
> >> enough to
> >> bring them to your attention Chris. Perhaps if you worked in the
> >> industry
> >> alongside consumers rather than simply signing off a few papers here
> >> and there you might take it all a little more seriously, take the time
> >> to look
> >> into issues, and perhaps make your administration stand for something.
> >>
> >> You were unaware of the Netregistry debacle until it was thrown in
> >> your face
> >> and you had to deal with it. Are you a fan of deja vu Chris? We are
> >> busy people, we don't have all the time in the world, but we will
> >> persist, and in
> >> many arenas. And why? because we give a damn Chris. We give a damn
> >> about all
> >> the little people out there who have been lead to believe that this
> >> code of
> >> conduct will be enforceable, that it will affect change.  How can it
> >> possibly when a bunch of known scammers are sitting on the committee
> >> and the
> >> auDA Director perceives that as being totally acceptable because they
> >> were
> >> the only ones who nominated themselves. That is a cop-out. That is
> >> totally
> >> unacceptable.
> >>
> >> Ginger
> >> ginger&#167;internetnamesregistrar.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Chris Disspain [mailto:ceo&#167;auda.org.au]
> >> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 9:46 AM
> >> To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> >> Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct
> >>
> >>
> >> 1. Most of the names you mention are not on the committee.
> >> 2. Perhaps you would care to explain why they should not be and FAR
> >> MORE IMPORTANTLY
> >> 3. Perhaps you'd care to explain why you and everyone else who simply
> >> use this list in the same way that a cat uses a scratching pole did
> >> not even bother to nominate for the committee or turn up at the
> >> initial meeting or contribute anything whatsoever to the process.
> >>
> >> Oh, and just so we're clear, the reason why the committee comprises
> >> the people it comprises is because they nominated and, they were the
> >> ONLY PEOPLE who nominated.
> >>
> >> BTW, many thanks to whoever included my name in a song on the list the
> >> other day. Another goal I can tick off the list.
> >>
> >> Chris Disspain
> >> CEO - auDA
> >> ceo&#167;auda.org.au
> >> www.auda.org.au
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish&#167;scifi-art.com]
> >> Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2002 12:21
> >> To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> >> Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct
> >>
> >> Dear Bruce,
> >>
> >>
> >> in other words :
> >>
> >> WHY WOULD auDA ALLOW PEOPLE LIKE NETREGISTRY , DNA and DDNS TO BE ON
> >> THE VERY COMMITEE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO KICK THESE PEOPLE OUT OR AT
> >> LEAST MAKE THEM BEHAVE ?
> >>
> >> Don't you find that a bit illogical Bruce, or if you have a logical
> >> and reasonable explanation to that, i am willing to hear and
> >> understand it. Doesn't that bother you ? or are scammers considered as
> >> equals with honest
> >> businesses now ? is the .au administration so corrupt and rotten at
> >> the core
> >> that it is impossible not to have the gangsters at the helm ? Give us
> >> an explanation Bruce, because maybe I'm all wrong , maybe i'm just an
> >> idiot that does not read english properly
> >>  http://www.auda.org.au/policy/code-committee-2002/ ) , so PLEASE
> >> EXPLAIN....
> >>
> >>
> >> Best Regards, Bruce
> >>
> >> Ginger
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish&#167;scifi-art.com]
> >> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 12:10 PM
> >> To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> >> Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct
> >>
> >>
> >> Bruce, thank you for answering the first part, but i think you missed
> >> the
> >> second part :
> >>
> >> auDA is well aware of the business practices of these companies and
> >> yet here
> >> THEY SITE ON THE CODE OF CONDUCT COMMITEE
> >>
> >>
> >> NETREGISTRY  proved they could not be trusted with the auNIC database
> >> and
> >> yet the same company have a representative on the Code of Conduct
> >> Commitee?
> >>
> >> Peter Dean, Istra Pty Ltd, www.aunic.com.au, Director of auDA,
> >> conflict of
> >> interest, and to top it off, sits on the Code of Conduct Commitee ?
> >>
> >> And, Rod "Scam claim over com.au reselling" Keys.
> >>
> >> http://www.auda.org.au/policy/code-committee-2002/
> >>
> >> Rod Keys  Discount Domain Names  Reseller    DISCOUNT DOMAIN NAMES??
> >> see
> >> below
> >> Brett Fenton ( Larry's dog )  NetRegistry  Registrar         NET
> >> REGISTRY?
> >> see below
> >> Peter Dean  Instra Group  Registrar          YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING
> >>
> >>
> >> "Domain Name Authority of Australia (DNA) Business Manager - Rod Keys
> >> "Scam claim over com.au reselling.
> >> http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/e-commerce/20001024/A2319-2000Oct23.html
> >>
> >> "Melbourne's Domain Name Authority of Australia (www.dna.asn.au) has
> >> been
> >> writing in hard copy to com.au name owners ahead of the renewal date,
> >> offering to renew their names."
> >>
> >> "Domain Name Authority of Australia (DNA) Business Manager - Rod Keys
> >> "Domain name resellers blockade rival company"
> >> http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/breaking/20001017/A56590-2000Oct17.html
> >>
> >>
> >> INTERNET NAME GROUP  - PROVISIONALLY ACCREDITED REGISTRAR
> >>
> >> Sasha Sudakov attends Code of Conduct Meeting. --- WHAT FOR??????
> >> http://www.auda.org.au/about/minutes/public-20011211.pdf
> >>
> >> Internet Name Group scam
> >> http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/archive/032001/0060.html
> >>
> >> The greed behind gratuitous grace
> >> http://www.smh.com.au/icon/0111/13/news4.html
> >>
> >> Riddle of 10-year deals on .au names with a two-year life
> >> http://it.mycareer.com.au/networking/20010410/A35593-2001Apr10.html
> >>
> >> Name seller flogs .biz names via asic.com
> >> http://www.smh.com.au/news/0106/22/biztech/biztech15.html
> >>
> >> "Spam" Attack Prompts Suspension By Domainz.
> >> http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pr2001/090601.htm
> >>
> >>
http://www.idg.net.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/D6AC0A53F05ECFC6CC256ABF00090DE4!
> >> open
> >> document
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ginger
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Bruce Tonkin [mailto:Bruce.Tonkin&#167;melbourneit.com.au]
> >> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 4:26 AM
> >> To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> >> Subject: [DNS] Code of conduct
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > WHAT HOPE IS THERE FOR ANY PROPOSED CODE OF CONDUCT ??
> >> > It is unclear when it will be introduced
> >> > It is unclear if it will be enforceable
> >> > It is unclear as to whether or not it will be enforceable,
> >> > how and by whom?
> >>
> >> Actually it is reasonable clear.
> >>
> >> There is an interim code of conduct that already exists. In the
> >> absence of
> >> any changes by the date the new registry (operated by AusRegistry)
> >> goes live, then this will be the code that must be adhered to by
> >> registrars. In
> >> the meantime, we have encouraged companies that sell domain name
> >> services to
> >> adhere to the interim code, and people can sign up to it voluntarily.
> >> However there is no enforcement of the code until the new registrar
> >> agreements come into effect.  Note most industries have codes that are
> >> purely voluntary, we are at least trying to go one step further to
> >> include
> >> in registrar licence agreements.
> >>
> >> There is a code of conduct committee that is trying to refine the
> >> interim
> >> code.  It is hoped that the next refinement will be complete by around
> >> June
> >> 2002.
> >>
> >> The code will be enforceable by auDA, and failure to abide by the code
> >> can
> >> result in loss of registrar licence.  However ultimately any company
> >> can sell domain names without any licence.  The licence purely gives
> >> them direct
> >> access to communicate with the registry.  A comany can still act on
> >> behalf
> >> of the registrant and purchase their domain names from any registrar
> >> or reseller.
> >>
> >> The best method of enforcement is by consumers themselves choosing to
> >> use a
> >> reputable provider of their services.  That is the whole point of
> >> competition.  To do this consumers need to be well informed.
> >> Consumers make
> >> their decisions for real estate agents, auto repairers, car dealers
> >> etc based on their knowledge of the industry and word-of-mouth.  In
> >> many cases
> >> there are independent organisations such as RACV, CHOICE etc that
> >> publish
> >> articles that compare the products and services of different
> >> providers. The
> >> fall back is the Trade Practices Act - which is administered by the
> >> ACCC.
> >>
> >> I encourage all members of the industry to continue to educate and
> >> keep informed their customers.   If auDA needs to continually be
> >> involved in enforcement this will raise the prices of domain names
> >> services for us all
> >> (as auDA's costs are passed onto registrants through a per domain name
> >> fee),
> >> and potentially result in the Government taking over control of the
> >> function.
> >>
> >> SO lets keep the code of conduct in perspective.  It is not the
> >> solution to
> >> all problems, but an important step forward.  It will also help
> >> educate new
> >> players in the industry on acceptable practices.  Ultimately it will
> >> be up
> >> to us all to educate consumers about the existance of a code, and only
> >> purchase products and services from those that adhere to the code.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Bruce Tonkin
> >>
>
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