[DNS] johnhowardpm.org

[DNS] johnhowardpm.org

From: Jon Lawrence <jon§jonlawrence.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:46:52 +0000
And the danger of that is what?  It's not like he was collecting Paypal
logins or bank account details.  At worst, it's a breach of copyright. 
There are well-established legal avenues for dealing with copyright issues.


>-- Original Message --
>From: "David Farrar" <david&#167;farrar.com>
>To: "'.au DNS Discussion List'" <dns&#167;dotau.org>
>Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:29:57 +1200
>Subject: Re: [DNS] johnhowardpm.org
>Reply-To: ".au DNS Discussion List" <dns&#167;dotau.org>
>
>
>Parody sites of politicians are an important part of free speech and I've
>even been involved in a couple myself.
>
>However the problem with this site was it wasn't a clear parody.  It was
>almost identical to the official site with one fake speech added on.  It
>was
>designed to fool and mislead people (which it did at first). There is a
>difference between parody and fake.
>
>I suspect if the creators had made the site a true parody site, then nothing
>would have happened.
>
>My 2c
>
>DPF
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dns-bounces+david=farrar.com&#167;dotau.org 
>> [mailto:dns-bounces+david=farrar.com&#167;dotau.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Jon Lawrence
>> Sent: Sunday, 19 March 2006 12:26 a.m.
>> To: .au DNS Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [DNS] johnhowardpm.org
>> 
>> The lesson to be learned from this would appear to be that if 
>> you wish to be critical of the Howard government then you 
>> should register your domain name and host your site offshore.
>> 
>> And this happened in the same week that John Howard is quoted 
>> as saying "I believe in democracy."  Perhaps it's the Chinese 
>> form of democracy he's referring to.
>> 
>> Someone might like to direct the PM's office to check out 
>> www.whitehouse.com (a porn site), www.whitehouse.net (a 
>> parody site) and www.whitehouse.org (also a parody site), all 
>> of which have coexisted for years with the official site at 
>> www.whitehouse.gov.  If there's one thing the Americans do 
>> understand and respect properly, it's the principle of free speech.
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> >-- Original Message --
>> >Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:39:02 +1100 (EST)
>> >From: Ian Smith <smithi&#167;nimnet.asn.au>
>> >To: Chris Bell <lists-dns&#167;blueskyhost.com>
>> >Cc: ".au DNS Discussion List" <dns&#167;dotau.org>
>> >Subject: Re: [DNS] johnhowardpm.org
>> >Reply-To: ".au DNS Discussion List" <dns&#167;dotau.org>
>> >
>> >
>> >On Sat, 18 Mar 2006, Chris Bell wrote:
>> >
>> >[.. Allow me first to repost the original context:
>> >
>> > > 
>> http://www.smh.com.au/news/breaking/government-shuts-howard-spoof-si
>> > > te/2006/03/17/1142098638843.html
>> >
>> > > This sets a dangerous new precedent. Basically Melbourne IT have

>> > > intervened in what is essentially a civil matter. If 
>> there was any 
>> > > dispute over the name itself that should have gone to 
>> UDRP. Phishing
>> is
>> > > necessarily criminal in nature, so calling it that is really a 
>> > > stretch of the imagination.
>> >
>> >..]
>> >
>> > > Ian Smith wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >Hardly new for Richard Neville .. remember the Oz 
>> trials?  And not
>> the
>> > > >first political satirist to be denied a venue .. 
>> remember Peter Berner?
>> >
>> >
>> > > No, but that's besides the point - innit?
>> >
>> >Depends on what you find dangerous.  To me pressure on registrars to

>> >remove satirical sites is the basic problem, not the lame 
>> excuse that 
>> >'to us it looks like a phishing site' that MelbIT reportedly 
>> supplied.
>> 
>> >
>> > > > > Yet another reason not to bother dealing with Melbourne IT.
>> > > >
>> > > >Know any registrars prepared to argue the toss with the gummint?
>> >
>> > > They're regulated by ICANN, not the gummint.
>> >
>> >Sure - which is controlled by another, nominally different, gummint.
>> >Again, tell us (and Richard Neville) the name of a registrar 
>> prepared 
>> >to tell the Prime Monster's Office to go, er, file a civil complaint.
>> >
>> > > >'Twas nice of the Herald to publish the URL to the, um, 
>> 179K pdf of
>> the
>> > > >piece at 
>> > > >http://www.richardneville.com/Satire/Howard_speech_150306.pdf
>> >
>> > > Oh fer crying out loud Ian. It's 2006 and you're 
>> complaining about a
>> 
>> > > 180Kb download? I can recommend a good provider  :)
>> >
>> >I can't see how you interpret that as a complaint.  I mentioned the

>> >size to indicate that it was a trivial download for those 
>> vaguely interested.
>> >
>> > > C'mon this basically says that your registrar can pull 
>> your domains
>> on
>> >
>> > > the basis of a civil complaint. I can understand that 
>> this gets done
>> in
>> >
>> > > a criminal context, but this is really stretching the 
>> notion of contract.
>> >
>> >If you believe that "in response to a request from the Prime 
>> Minister's 
>> >office" is similar to 'a civil complaint' then I'm afraid I 
>> can't help!
>> >
>> >cheers, Ian
>> >
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