pistols § 20 paces? Adam Matthews [adam§echo-host.net] wrote: > You have absolutely no idea, just faaaaaaaarrk off. > > -----Original Message----- > From: info§australianwebsites.com [mailto:info§australianwebsites.com] > Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2005 1:27 PM > To: dns§dotau.org > Subject: Re: [DNS] List rules > > Larry, > > I agree with everyone who thought the issue of the allegations > initiated by Adam against Planet Domain, in reply to Jim's original > post seeking help on a domain issue took too long to resolve. > > ( Due in part originally to the number of posts it took Adam > to provide more specific information to support his allegations > when invited to do so. ) > > Let us remember that it was Adam, not I, who, at the mere > mention of the 2 words > > "Planet Domain" > > in Jim's long email seeking help, chose to make the very first > post as a reply to Jim's request for help. > > Did Adam's reply to Jim's post offer any help? No, it didn't. > > It was criticisms / allegations directed specifically at Planet Domain, > "their technical support team" and Adam even went on to criticise > Murray Kester, the Manager of Planet Domain, personally by name! > > It was at this point that a new issue was raised. > > Making criticisms / allegations against a Registrar is a serious matter > and is messing with the livelihoods of all the people who work there > and the people who are Resellers for Planet Domain also. > > Looking back now its a little sad that, overall, more time was spent by some > people on > debating procedural type issues like relevancy to a thread, than whether it > was fair > or just, to publicly criticise a Registrar, "their technical support team" > and Murray Kester, > the Manager of Planet Domain, and even arguing whether or not allegations > like that > should go unquestioned, and you Larry, by saying, and I quote, > > "Adam - he simply recounted his experience" > > implied those allegations were true. > > That serious allegations can be made which then start being referred to as > though they were true, is a recipe for a truly unfair DNS list, were this > list > to be moderated to stifle 2 sided debate. > > As Trent pointed out > > "The 'other thread' is history and it was self moderated to a degree. > In so doing, if just one person took some form of education away from it, > then although annoying, it served its purpose." > > Proposals of moderation need to be very carefully thought about > as moderation can easily become censorship in practice. > > I submit that 2 sided debate is always preferable to 1 sided negative > allegations - where the person making those allegations goes unquestioned > and / or unchallenged and supporting facts sought. > > A useful guideline for this list would be that if anyone is going > to make a criticism of any person or company at anytime in the future > it should be based on facts only, and they should be prepared to present > those specific facts, or for example a link to a news article, to support > their criticisms, > and present them in a timely manner, so that debates are efficient, > productive, > and provide useful information. > > If any moderation included banning all non .au domain issues > even Jim's original request for help would have been culled out > as it regarded a .com domain only. > > As there is not a TLD list where people such as Jim can seek help > and anyone can discuss TLD specific issues, perhaps a separate TLD > list could be started. > > > Regards > Barry Armstrong > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Larry Bloch > To: dns§dotau.org > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 12:03 PM > Subject: RE: [DNS] List rules > > > Trent, > > Moderating a list is a thankless task - definitely. > > I'm not so sure that "no news is good news" in this list's case. I think > its > probably fairer to say no news is an indication that the real issues are > not > being raised in this forum, and that is a pity. Why are the issues not > being > discussed here? Because the list lacks credibility as a place where useful > debate happens, and that?s an historical fact. > > This list has been over used for outbursts (as we have seen yesterday), > vitriolic personal attacks, loony conspiracy theorists, hatchet jobs and > the > like. You only have to go back and see Chris Disspain's written comments > on > his attitude to posting to this list to see a reflection of that reality. > His frustration with the manner and tone of postings is shared by many of > the professionals in this industry who as a result lurk but steer clear of > posting. > > If all of us subscribed want to get something more that the odd bit of > news > out of the list, then as a community we need to have some sort of > acceptable > use standards - formal or otherwise. And I take your point that the recent > episode did resolve in a 'natural order' way. Its just a little > inefficient > sometimes. > > Larry > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: trent§sos.net.au [mailto:trent§sos.net.au] > > Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2005 11:46 > > To: dns§dotau.org > > Subject: Re: [DNS] List rules > > > > > > Larry, > > In theory, this would be great, but Kim, at least I assume it > > was Kim, > > has outlined in the first line of the policy that this list > > is unmoderated. > > > > Like your own post, my point is subjective. The 'other thread' is > > history and it was self moderated to a degree. In so doing, > > if just one > > person took some form of education away from it, then > > although annoying, > > it served its purpose. That might mean fewer of these outbursts and I > > know that's hoping for allot, but I'm a hopeful kind of guy ;) > > > > If Kim wishes to moderate, that's his decision as list > > manager, but it > > is a time issue, so I for one would understand if he chooses > > not to. In the mean time, the list, as Sean pointed out, > > generally moves along > > at a dead crawl. This is indicative of the "no news is good news" > > clich?, and we can, as Vic pointed out, use the good ol' D key when > > someone won't leave well enough alone. > > > > Having said all that, and provided you have the time Larry, perhaps a > > related list is something you feel would be in order? 'Any' list > > generates information we can potentially learn from, and I would > > definitely have a look at the focus of any new list that > > might assist me > > in advising clients and colleagues. > > > > Cheers, > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > List policy, unsubscribing and archives => http://dotau.org/ > Please do not retransmit articles on this list without permission of the > author, further information at the above URL. >Received on Fri Oct 03 2003 - 00:00:00 UTC
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