RE: [DNS] WHOIS lookups

RE: [DNS] WHOIS lookups

From: Mark Hughes <effectivebusiness§pplications.com.au>
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:05:44 +1000
> It is extremely unusual that the very alert people in this
> list are not aware of related issues and documents that are
> generally circulated.

Ha.  'Scuse me while I larf.

Unfortunately its the norm for many people posting to this list to never
read (and more importantly, think through the implications of) the
information that is publicly available.

> I don't believe that the messages aren't getting through
> due to the ignorance or stupidity of the audiences - do you?

Well, for many of them I reckon the only two options are either stupidity or
maliciousness.  But I for one am prepared to give them the benefit of the
doubt and assume they are not malicious.

Regarding publicly available material, we know that RegistrarsAsia isn't a
.au Registrar, or Reseller of a .au Registrar, because the lists of those
are publicly available.

And we also know that RegistrarsAsia 'ain't much of a gTLD Registrar either.
The State of the Domain report from SnapNames shows that as a gTLD
Registrar, RegistrarsAsia was Registrar for 1,216 gTLDs at the end of Q1
2002 (93rd ranked Registrar) and was Registrar for 1,322 gTLDs at the end of
Q2 2002 (98th ranked Registrar).  Their market share in the gTLD market is
so small it shows as 0.00%.

I reckon RegistrarsAsia has taken the sensible view that operating a
Registry is a better business model than being a Registrar.  Good on 'em.


The list of Resellers on the auDA site is a good read.  If I was an
accredited Registrar, I'd sure make it a high priority to send every
organisation on that list a well thought out presentation suggesting that
the current .au Registrar that they're dealing with is grossly overcharging
them, and that they'd save money if they changed Registrar.

Its an age old business strategy to try and ensure that your competitors
don't retain lucrative accounts - you either want to get the business from
your competitor (first preference), or if you can't do that (2nd
preference), try and ensure the business they retain isn't a cash cow that
funds competition against you in other areas.  Pointing out to all those
Resellers on the auDA list that they're paying too much to their existing
Registrar might at least might prod them to negotiate a lower price from
their existing Registrar, thereby reducing the resources available to that
Registrar.

But as I'm not a .au Registrar, I'll leave it up to others to implement this
strategy if they choose :)


Regards, Mark

Effective Business Applications Pty Ltd
+61 4 1374 3959
www.pplications.com.au
effectivebusiness&#167;pplications.com.au

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Wright [mailto:newsstuff&#167;network.au.com]
Sent: Friday, 30 August 2002 11:44 AM
To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
Subject: RE: [DNS] WHOIS lookups


Chris you say "This was made clear in various announcements and documents
published by auDA at the time the
tender was finalised"

Where were these documents published and what were the heading titles???  In
what way were they made public?

It is extremely unusual that the very alert people in this list are not
aware of related issues and documents that are generally circulated. Even
the ones issued by auDA that are not included in this list usually get
picked up in detail.

Perhaps the auDA publicity machine needs a little oil as obviously the
messages are not getting through to the intended receivers?

I don't believe that the messages aren't getting through due to the
ignorance or stupidity of the audiences - do you?  In my professional
experience and judgement; the responsibility of miscommunication falls
squarely upon the sender not the receiver.

Please take this as a light general but constructive criticism from me, of
the way auDA communicates with "all stakeholders". ** - quote from the About
auDA page on your website http://www.auda.org.au/about/

I believe that a survey of all Australians between 12 and 60 would reveal
that only about 5-8% have even heard of auDA let alone understand it's role.
These low figures are reflected back to me by other consultants who are
trying to educate their client bases and from my own client-base.  Even many
IT consultants and managers still do not know of your existence -
fortunately for your organisation, we attempt to educate them for you when
we discover their lack of exposure to auDA.

I believe that such mis-communication is gravely effecting the wide public
realisation of accountability and understanding of the local .au rules,
regulations, market climate and procedures.

Phil Wright


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Disspain [mailto:ceo&#167;auda.org.au]
Sent: Friday, 30 August 2002 10:07 AM
To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
Subject: RE: [DNS] WHOIS lookups


Just for clarity, there is no secret to the relationship between
Registrars Asia and AusRegistry. Under the terms of the Registry Licence
Agreement (to which auDA, AusRegistry and Registrars Asia are all
parties) Registrars Asia agree not to conduct registrar business in .au.
However, there is nothing to prevent them from continuing to act as a
registrar in other ccTLD spaces or the gTLD spaces. This was made clear
in various announcements and documents published by auDA at the time the
tender was finalised.

Pursuant to this agreement, at the commencement of the new regime,
Registrars Asia ceased to act as a registrar in .au and the registrant
clients they held as a Melbourne IT reseller reverted back to MIT.

Hopefully this provides an explanation for those who have neither the
wit nor the ethics to check publicly available information prior to
making derogatory comments.

Regards,

Chris Disspain
CEO - auDA
ceo&#167;auda.org.au
www.auda.org.au


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Berkeley [mailto:magic2147&#167;optushome.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 30 August 2002 9:47
To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
Subject: RE: [DNS] WHOIS lookups

On 10 Jul 2002 at 19:15, Adrian Kinderis wrote:

Send reply to:  	dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
From:           	"Adrian Kinderis" <adriank&#167;ausregistry.com.au>
To:             	<dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>
Date sent:      	Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:15:42 +1000
Subject:        	RE: [DNS] WHOIS lookups

> Cyrille,
>
> I agree with you.
>
> That is why we have added certain IP addresses to the "blacklist"
> exemption. This is a temporary measure for the resellers until the
> registrars are able to offer these services.
>
> The last thing we need is the whois database being harvested.
>
> Adrian Kinderis
> MD - Sales and Marketing
> AusRegistry Pty. Ltd.
> Level 6, 10 Queens Rd.
> Melbourne, Victoria. 3004
> P: 03 9866 3710
> F: 03 9866 1970
> E: adriank&#167;ausregistry.com.au
> W: www.ausregistry.com.au

Apropos of previous correspondence, has anyone else noticed the
correspondence
between the fax number of Ausregistry ie. 03 9866 1970 and
RegistrarsAsia ie. 03 9866
1970. How can we be sure that there is no data sharing by these two
entities when they
do not have either the wit, ethical sensitivity or apparently the
resources to arrange
separate fax facilities?

Please explain.


cb

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