Re: [DNS] Code of conduct

Re: [DNS] Code of conduct

From: Dax <shayemaree§bigpond.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:44:31 +1100
That 'Ginger FISH' is listed as the Admin, Tech and billing contact

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nathanael Boehm" <cybsnoop&#167;tpg.com.au>
To: <dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [DNS] Code of conduct


> .... and your point is? :-s
>
>  - SnooP
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rod Keys <rod&#167;ddns.com.au>
> To: <dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [DNS] Code of conduct
>
>
> > Chris,
> > Check the whois for internetnamesregistrar.com ...nsi.com ..whois...
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris Disspain" <ceo&#167;auda.org.au>
> > To: <dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:04 AM
> > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct
> >
> >
> > > Once again you have taken the opportunity to insult, rant and not
> > > actually deal with the issue at hand. I will respond only to matters
> > > relevant to the topic. Personal insults, jibes, snide comments and
other
> > > detritus serve only to reduce your credibility and shroud what might
> > > otherwise be valuable input in a cloak of vitriol.
> > >
> > > You seem to think that contributing to this list gives you some right
to
> > > be heard or, for that matter, to be responded to. It does not. It is a
> > > discussion list and that is all. auDA reads the list and on occasions
> > > such as this responds. We listen and take note of what is said. But
this
> > > list is not representative of the 'industry'. If you want to be
> > > effective you would be better served by getting involved instead of
> > > carping from the side lines. This of course would involve you ditching
> > > the use of false names and necessitate a level of decorum and
> > > rationality. It would also involve you understanding the processes.
> > >
> > > You clearly have no understanding of the process and do not appear to
> > > have read any of the documents. Are you for example aware of the
> > > restrictions to be placed on registrars (and their resellers) in
auDA's
> > > Registrar Agreement?
> > >
> > > You certainly do not appear to have attended the Registrar Agreement
> > > public meetings at which the agreement and the Code of Practice were
> > > originally discussed. You also do not appear to have attended the
> > > initial Code of Practice meeting because if you had you would
understand
> > > that the Code of  Practice committee is not auDA's committee but yours
> > > (ie the industry). We are simply facilitating it.
> > >
> > > I repeat some indisputable facts. We called for nominations (and as a
> > > courtesy published that call on the DNS list). This call for
nominations
> > > was at the request of the industry. At the initial meeting, they asked
> > > us to do it on their behalf. I have no doubt that those that were
there
> > > will happily confirm this. The number of the committee and its
processes
> > > were also set by them and not by us. It is, you see, an industry
> > > committee attempting to draft what will be an industry Code of
Practice.
> > >
> > > Neither you nor any of your 'colleagues' (whoever they may be)
bothered
> > > to nominate for the Code of Practice committee notwithstanding your
> > > supposed passion about the issue. That I'm afraid severely damages
your
> > > credibility on this issue.
> > >
> > > The choice is yours. Feel free to continue to bellow your insults to
the
> > > DNS list under the cover of a false name or put your money where your
> > > mouth is and actually get involved in the process.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Chris Disspain
> > > CEO - auDA
> > > ceo&#167;auda.org.au
> > > www.auda.org.au
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ginger FISH [mailto:ginger&#167;internetnamesregistrar.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 19 March 2002 0:54
> > > To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> > > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct
> > >
> > > Chris,
> > >
> > > Let me see if I've got this straight. Firstly you note that not all
the
> > > names mentioned are on the committee? Three out of four mentioned are
on
> > > the
> > > code of conduct committee Chris, perhaps you might wish to read your
own
> > > website?
> > >
> > > You say "but they were the only ones who nominated ?"  The scammers?
> > > And
> > > that's your excuse for not running an effective administration ?
> > >
> > > Distasteful that you pass off issues and ridicule those who care
enough
> > > to
> > > bring them to your attention Chris. Perhaps if you worked in the
> > > industry
> > > alongside consumers rather than simply signing off a few papers here
and
> > > there you might take it all a little more seriously, take the time to
> > > look
> > > into issues, and perhaps make your administration stand for something.
> > >
> > > You were unaware of the Netregistry debacle until it was thrown in
your
> > > face
> > > and you had to deal with it. Are you a fan of deja vu Chris? We are
busy
> > > people, we don't have all the time in the world, but we will persist,
> > > and in
> > > many arenas. And why? because we give a damn Chris. We give a damn
about
> > > all
> > > the little people out there who have been lead to believe that this
code
> > > of
> > > conduct will be enforceable, that it will affect change.  How can it
> > > possibly when a bunch of known scammers are sitting on the committee
and
> > > the
> > > auDA Director perceives that as being totally acceptable because they
> > > were
> > > the only ones who nominated themselves. That is a cop-out. That is
> > > totally
> > > unacceptable.
> > >
> > > Ginger
> > > ginger&#167;internetnamesregistrar.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chris Disspain [mailto:ceo&#167;auda.org.au]
> > > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 9:46 AM
> > > To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> > > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct
> > >
> > >
> > > 1. Most of the names you mention are not on the committee.
> > > 2. Perhaps you would care to explain why they should not be and FAR
MORE
> > > IMPORTANTLY
> > > 3. Perhaps you'd care to explain why you and everyone else who simply
> > > use this list in the same way that a cat uses a scratching pole did
not
> > > even bother to nominate for the committee or turn up at the initial
> > > meeting or contribute anything whatsoever to the process.
> > >
> > > Oh, and just so we're clear, the reason why the committee comprises
the
> > > people it comprises is because they nominated and, they were the ONLY
> > > PEOPLE who nominated.
> > >
> > > BTW, many thanks to whoever included my name in a song on the list the
> > > other day. Another goal I can tick off the list.
> > >
> > > Chris Disspain
> > > CEO - auDA
> > > ceo&#167;auda.org.au
> > > www.auda.org.au
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish&#167;scifi-art.com]
> > > Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2002 12:21
> > > To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> > > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct
> > >
> > > Dear Bruce,
> > >
> > >
> > > in other words :
> > >
> > > WHY WOULD auDA ALLOW PEOPLE LIKE NETREGISTRY , DNA and DDNS TO BE ON
THE
> > > VERY COMMITEE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO KICK THESE PEOPLE OUT OR AT LEAST
MAKE
> > > THEM BEHAVE ?
> > >
> > > Don't you find that a bit illogical Bruce, or if you have a logical
and
> > > reasonable explanation to that, i am willing to hear and understand
it.
> > > Doesn't that bother you ? or are scammers considered as equals with
> > > honest
> > > businesses now ? is the .au administration so corrupt and rotten at
the
> > > core
> > > that it is impossible not to have the gangsters at the helm ? Give us
an
> > > explanation Bruce, because maybe I'm all wrong , maybe i'm just an
idiot
> > > that does not read english properly
> > >  http://www.auda.org.au/policy/code-committee-2002/ ) , so PLEASE
> > > EXPLAIN....
> > >
> > >
> > > Best Regards, Bruce
> > >
> > > Ginger
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish&#167;scifi-art.com]
> > > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 12:10 PM
> > > To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> > > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct
> > >
> > >
> > > Bruce, thank you for answering the first part, but i think you missed
> > > the
> > > second part :
> > >
> > > auDA is well aware of the business practices of these companies and
yet
> > > here
> > > THEY SITE ON THE CODE OF CONDUCT COMMITEE
> > >
> > >
> > > NETREGISTRY  proved they could not be trusted with the auNIC database
> > > and
> > > yet the same company have a representative on the Code of Conduct
> > > Commitee?
> > >
> > > Peter Dean, Istra Pty Ltd, www.aunic.com.au, Director of auDA,
conflict
> > > of
> > > interest, and to top it off, sits on the Code of Conduct Commitee ?
> > >
> > > And, Rod "Scam claim over com.au reselling" Keys.
> > >
> > > http://www.auda.org.au/policy/code-committee-2002/
> > >
> > > Rod Keys  Discount Domain Names  Reseller    DISCOUNT DOMAIN NAMES??
> > > see
> > > below
> > > Brett Fenton ( Larry's dog )  NetRegistry  Registrar         NET
> > > REGISTRY?
> > > see below
> > > Peter Dean  Instra Group  Registrar          YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING
> > >
> > >
> > > "Domain Name Authority of Australia (DNA) Business Manager - Rod Keys
> > > "Scam claim over com.au reselling.
> > > http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/e-commerce/20001024/A2319-2000Oct23.html
> > >
> > > "Melbourne's Domain Name Authority of Australia (www.dna.asn.au) has
> > > been
> > > writing in hard copy to com.au name owners ahead of the renewal date,
> > > offering to renew their names."
> > >
> > > "Domain Name Authority of Australia (DNA) Business Manager - Rod Keys
> > > "Domain name resellers blockade rival company"
> > > http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/breaking/20001017/A56590-2000Oct17.html
> > >
> > >
> > > INTERNET NAME GROUP  - PROVISIONALLY ACCREDITED REGISTRAR
> > >
> > > Sasha Sudakov attends Code of Conduct Meeting. --- WHAT FOR??????
> > > http://www.auda.org.au/about/minutes/public-20011211.pdf
> > >
> > > Internet Name Group scam
> > > http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/archive/032001/0060.html
> > >
> > > The greed behind gratuitous grace
> > > http://www.smh.com.au/icon/0111/13/news4.html
> > >
> > > Riddle of 10-year deals on .au names with a two-year life
> > > http://it.mycareer.com.au/networking/20010410/A35593-2001Apr10.html
> > >
> > > Name seller flogs .biz names via asic.com
> > > http://www.smh.com.au/news/0106/22/biztech/biztech15.html
> > >
> > > "Spam" Attack Prompts Suspension By Domainz.
> > > http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pr2001/090601.htm
> > >
> > >
http://www.idg.net.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/D6AC0A53F05ECFC6CC256ABF00090DE4!
> > > open
> > > document
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ginger
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bruce Tonkin [mailto:Bruce.Tonkin&#167;melbourneit.com.au]
> > > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 4:26 AM
> > > To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> > > Subject: [DNS] Code of conduct
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > WHAT HOPE IS THERE FOR ANY PROPOSED CODE OF CONDUCT ??
> > > > It is unclear when it will be introduced
> > > > It is unclear if it will be enforceable
> > > > It is unclear as to whether or not it will be enforceable,
> > > > how and by whom?
> > >
> > > Actually it is reasonable clear.
> > >
> > > There is an interim code of conduct that already exists. In the
absence
> > > of
> > > any changes by the date the new registry (operated by AusRegistry)
goes
> > > live, then this will be the code that must be adhered to by
registrars.
> > > In
> > > the meantime, we have encouraged companies that sell domain name
> > > services to
> > > adhere to the interim code, and people can sign up to it voluntarily.
> > > However there is no enforcement of the code until the new registrar
> > > agreements come into effect.  Note most industries have codes that are
> > > purely voluntary, we are at least trying to go one step further to
> > > include
> > > in registrar licence agreements.
> > >
> > > There is a code of conduct committee that is trying to refine the
> > > interim
> > > code.  It is hoped that the next refinement will be complete by around
> > > June
> > > 2002.
> > >
> > > The code will be enforceable by auDA, and failure to abide by the code
> > > can
> > > result in loss of registrar licence.  However ultimately any company
can
> > > sell domain names without any licence.  The licence purely gives them
> > > direct
> > > access to communicate with the registry.  A comany can still act on
> > > behalf
> > > of the registrant and purchase their domain names from any registrar
or
> > > reseller.
> > >
> > > The best method of enforcement is by consumers themselves choosing to
> > > use a
> > > reputable provider of their services.  That is the whole point of
> > > competition.  To do this consumers need to be well informed.
Consumers
> > > make
> > > their decisions for real estate agents, auto repairers, car dealers
etc
> > > based on their knowledge of the industry and word-of-mouth.  In many
> > > cases
> > > there are independent organisations such as RACV, CHOICE etc that
> > > publish
> > > articles that compare the products and services of different
providers.
> > > The
> > > fall back is the Trade Practices Act - which is administered by the
> > > ACCC.
> > >
> > > I encourage all members of the industry to continue to educate and
keep
> > > informed their customers.   If auDA needs to continually be involved
in
> > > enforcement this will raise the prices of domain names services for us
> > > all
> > > (as auDA's costs are passed onto registrants through a per domain name
> > > fee),
> > > and potentially result in the Government taking over control of the
> > > function.
> > >
> > > SO lets keep the code of conduct in perspective.  It is not the
solution
> > > to
> > > all problems, but an important step forward.  It will also help
educate
> > > new
> > > players in the industry on acceptable practices.  Ultimately it will
be
> > > up
> > > to us all to educate consumers about the existance of a code, and only
> > > purchase products and services from those that adhere to the code.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Bruce Tonkin
> > >
> >
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