Chris,

Let me see if I've got this straight. Firstly you note that not all the
names mentioned are on the committee? Three out of four mentioned are on the
code of conduct committee Chris, perhaps you might wish to read your own
website?

You say "but they were the only ones who nominated ?"  The scammers?  And
that's your excuse for not running an effective administration ?

Distasteful that you pass off issues and ridicule those who care enough to
bring them to your attention Chris. Perhaps if you worked in the industry
alongside consumers rather than simply signing off a few papers here and
there you might take it all a little more seriously, take the time to look
into issues, and perhaps make your administration stand for something.

You were unaware of the Netregistry debacle until it was thrown in your face
and you had to deal with it. Are you a fan of deja vu Chris? We are busy
people, we don't have all the time in the world, but we will persist, and in
many arenas. And why? because we give a damn Chris. We give a damn about all
the little people out there who have been lead to believe that this code of
conduct will be enforceable, that it will affect change.  How can it
possibly when a bunch of known scammers are sitting on the committee and the
auDA Director perceives that as being totally acceptable because they were
the only ones who nominated themselves. That is a cop-out. That is totally
unacceptable.

Ginger
ginger§internetnamesregistrar.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Disspain [mailto:ceo§auda.org.au]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 9:46 AM
To: dns§lists.auda.org.au
Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct


1. Most of the names you mention are not on the committee.
2. Perhaps you would care to explain why they should not be and FAR MORE
IMPORTANTLY
3. Perhaps you'd care to explain why you and everyone else who simply
use this list in the same way that a cat uses a scratching pole did not
even bother to nominate for the committee or turn up at the initial
meeting or contribute anything whatsoever to the process.

Oh, and just so we're clear, the reason why the committee comprises the
people it comprises is because they nominated and, they were the ONLY
PEOPLE who nominated.

BTW, many thanks to whoever included my name in a song on the list the
other day. Another goal I can tick off the list.

Chris Disspain
CEO - auDA
ceo§auda.org.au
www.auda.org.au


-----Original Message-----
From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish§scifi-art.com]
Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2002 12:21
To: dns§lists.auda.org.au
Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct

Dear Bruce,


in other words :

WHY WOULD auDA ALLOW PEOPLE LIKE NETREGISTRY , DNA and DDNS TO BE ON THE
VERY COMMITEE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO KICK THESE PEOPLE OUT OR AT LEAST MAKE
THEM BEHAVE ?

Don't you find that a bit illogical Bruce, or if you have a logical and
reasonable explanation to that, i am willing to hear and understand it.
Doesn't that bother you ? or are scammers considered as equals with
honest
businesses now ? is the .au administration so corrupt and rotten at the
core
that it is impossible not to have the gangsters at the helm ? Give us an
explanation Bruce, because maybe I'm all wrong , maybe i'm just an idiot
that does not read english properly
 http://www.auda.org.au/policy/code-committee-2002/ ) , so PLEASE
EXPLAIN....


Best Regards, Bruce

Ginger





-----Original Message-----
From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish§scifi-art.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 12:10 PM
To: dns§lists.auda.org.au
Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct


Bruce, thank you for answering the first part, but i think you missed
the
second part :

auDA is well aware of the business practices of these companies and yet
here
THEY SITE ON THE CODE OF CONDUCT COMMITEE


NETREGISTRY  proved they could not be trusted with the auNIC database
and
yet the same company have a representative on the Code of Conduct
Commitee?

Peter Dean, Istra Pty Ltd, www.aunic.com.au, Director of auDA, conflict
of
interest, and to top it off, sits on the Code of Conduct Commitee ?

And, Rod "Scam claim over com.au reselling" Keys.

http://www.auda.org.au/policy/code-committee-2002/

Rod Keys  Discount Domain Names  Reseller    DISCOUNT DOMAIN NAMES??
see
below
Brett Fenton ( Larry's dog )  NetRegistry  Registrar         NET
REGISTRY?
see below
Peter Dean  Instra Group  Registrar          YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING


"Domain Name Authority of Australia (DNA) Business Manager - Rod Keys
"Scam claim over com.au reselling.
http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/e-commerce/20001024/A2319-2000Oct23.html

"Melbourne's Domain Name Authority of Australia (www.dna.asn.au) has
been
writing in hard copy to com.au name owners ahead of the renewal date,
offering to renew their names."

"Domain Name Authority of Australia (DNA) Business Manager - Rod Keys
"Domain name resellers blockade rival company"
http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/breaking/20001017/A56590-2000Oct17.html


INTERNET NAME GROUP  - PROVISIONALLY ACCREDITED REGISTRAR

Sasha Sudakov attends Code of Conduct Meeting. --- WHAT FOR??????
http://www.auda.org.au/about/minutes/public-20011211.pdf

Internet Name Group scam
http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/archive/032001/0060.html

The greed behind gratuitous grace
http://www.smh.com.au/icon/0111/13/news4.html

Riddle of 10-year deals on .au names with a two-year life
http://it.mycareer.com.au/networking/20010410/A35593-2001Apr10.html

Name seller flogs .biz names via asic.com
http://www.smh.com.au/news/0106/22/biztech/biztech15.html

"Spam" Attack Prompts Suspension By Domainz.
http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pr2001/090601.htm

http://www.idg.net.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/D6AC0A53F05ECFC6CC256ABF00090DE4!
open
document



Ginger

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Tonkin [mailto:Bruce.Tonkin§melbourneit.com.au]
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 4:26 AM
To: dns§lists.auda.org.au
Subject: [DNS] Code of conduct


>
> WHAT HOPE IS THERE FOR ANY PROPOSED CODE OF CONDUCT ??
> It is unclear when it will be introduced
> It is unclear if it will be enforceable
> It is unclear as to whether or not it will be enforceable,
> how and by whom?

Actually it is reasonable clear.

There is an interim code of conduct that already exists. In the absence
of
any changes by the date the new registry (operated by AusRegistry) goes
live, then this will be the code that must be adhered to by registrars.
In
the meantime, we have encouraged companies that sell domain name
services to
adhere to the interim code, and people can sign up to it voluntarily.
However there is no enforcement of the code until the new registrar
agreements come into effect.  Note most industries have codes that are
purely voluntary, we are at least trying to go one step further to
include
in registrar licence agreements.

There is a code of conduct committee that is trying to refine the
interim
code.  It is hoped that the next refinement will be complete by around
June
2002.

The code will be enforceable by auDA, and failure to abide by the code
can
result in loss of registrar licence.  However ultimately any company can
sell domain names without any licence.  The licence purely gives them
direct
access to communicate with the registry.  A comany can still act on
behalf
of the registrant and purchase their domain names from any registrar or
reseller.

The best method of enforcement is by consumers themselves choosing to
use a
reputable provider of their services.  That is the whole point of
competition.  To do this consumers need to be well informed.  Consumers
make
their decisions for real estate agents, auto repairers, car dealers etc
based on their knowledge of the industry and word-of-mouth.  In many
cases
there are independent organisations such as RACV, CHOICE etc that
publish
articles that compare the products and services of different providers.
The
fall back is the Trade Practices Act - which is administered by the
ACCC.

I encourage all members of the industry to continue to educate and keep
informed their customers.   If auDA needs to continually be involved in
enforcement this will raise the prices of domain names services for us
all
(as auDA's costs are passed onto registrants through a per domain name
fee),
and potentially result in the Government taking over control of the
function.

SO lets keep the code of conduct in perspective.  It is not the solution
to
all problems, but an important step forward.  It will also help educate
new
players in the industry on acceptable practices.  Ultimately it will be
up
to us all to educate consumers about the existance of a code, and only
purchase products and services from those that adhere to the code.

Regards,
Bruce Tonkin

------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
List policy, unsubscribing and archives =>
http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/
Please do not retransmit articles on this list without permission of the
author, further information at the above URL.  (329 subscribers.)



------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
List policy, unsubscribing and archives =>
http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/
Please do not retransmit articles on this list without permission of the
author, further information at the above URL.  (328 subscribers.)


------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
List policy, unsubscribing and archives =>
http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/
Please do not retransmit articles on this list without permission of the

author, further information at the above URL.  (328 subscribers.)




---------------------------------------------------------------------------
List policy, unsubscribing and archives => http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/
Please do not retransmit articles on this list without permission of the
author, further information at the above URL.  (328 subscribers.)